I’ve been wanting to write
something about Brexit for a little while, but confess I’ve found it incredibly
difficult to do so. Part of this is my feeling that as somebody who voted to
remain I don’t want to be a bad loser. On the other hand, as somebody who voted
to remain I do want to be a bad loser.
Like many on the remain side of the divide I have heard nothing to convince me that Brexit is not a colossal disaster looming on our horizon. I’ve been weighing up whether I think supporting a democratic vote is more important than sticking to my principles. Perhaps the best I can do is channel Groucho Marx's maxim that of course I have principles, but if they don't fit the occasion, I can always find new one's.
The British public seem to think that over the
next few years (whatever that means) Brexit will be bad for the UK. In the
latest Opinium poll for The Observer, when asked ‘Do you think leaving the EU
will ultimately be good or bad for the UK?’ 18% replied ‘very bad’. (a)
Now, apart from indicating that a significant proportion of the citizens of the UK are incredibly pessimistic about our future, it’s not really clear what is meant by ‘ultimately’ or what they think is ‘bad’. This is part of the problem with polls. If you ask people a question they tend to answer it, even if the question makes little real sense. Despite that caveat the poll does give us some insight into how people are understanding the current political impasse over Brexit.
The fact is that exiting the EU is incredibly
complex. There are multiple agreements already in place and the UK is the first
member state ever to leave the EU. It is true, just to clarify, that Greenland
left the EU in 1985. Though Greenland was never a member state as such since it
joined in 1972 when it was a territory of Denmark. Following the granting of
independence a referendum in 1982 meant that Greenland formally left the EU and
became an overseas country and territory (OCT). In return Greenland receives
funding from the EU and is bound by a number of EU regulations. It’s worth
pointing out that Greenland, with a population of around 57,000 and a GDP of $2.2
billion, spent 3 years negotiating a deal with the EU. By comparison the UK has
a population of 65 million people and GDP of $2.6 trillion.
Like many on the remain side of the divide I have heard nothing to convince me that Brexit is not a colossal disaster looming on our horizon. I’ve been weighing up whether I think supporting a democratic vote is more important than sticking to my principles. Perhaps the best I can do is channel Groucho Marx's maxim that of course I have principles, but if they don't fit the occasion, I can always find new one's.
One things seems
certain Brexit, in one form or another, is going to happen. Quite what Brexit
will mean in practice is incredibly difficult to say. The referendum saw the
country divide into what appear to be two tribes: Brexiters, and remainers. There is no
happy meeting ground between the two sides. Those who want to come out of
Europe do not want to hear that it will be bad for the economy. Those who want
to stay in are equally unlikely to believe that a great trading opportunity is
about to open up. Indeed, far from coming together the two tribes seem further
away from each other than ever.
Now, apart from indicating that a significant proportion of the citizens of the UK are incredibly pessimistic about our future, it’s not really clear what is meant by ‘ultimately’ or what they think is ‘bad’. This is part of the problem with polls. If you ask people a question they tend to answer it, even if the question makes little real sense. Despite that caveat the poll does give us some insight into how people are understanding the current political impasse over Brexit.
Whilst over half
the population think that Brexit will ‘ultimately’ be bad, this is matched by
the same proportion (51%) thinking that the whole process is more difficult
than they had expected. Whilst we might think that those who opposed Brexit
would be expected to see it as more difficult than expected, it is interesting
to note that 49% of those who voted leave think this is the case. Now, again, I
would take some issue with the question wording, since it is not clear whether
they thought it would be an easy process and therefore being more difficult
might simply mean that they are surprised it will take until March 2019. Or, it
might mean that people thought unravelling the various agreements to which the
UK is a signatory is going to be a bit tricky, but only now is it becoming
apparent that it is a bureaucratic nightmare not only unravelling existing
agreements but putting in place anything which might resemble a deal of any
kind.
The point is that
even those who were incredibly optimistic at the ease with which we might leave
Europe are forced to admit that it is more difficult than they had imagined.
Having said that a small minority (5%) think it is easier than they had
expected. It is hard to imagine how anybody could think that exiting the EU is
easy, and you have to wonder what they had expected.
Sir Ivan Rogers, Britain’s
ambassador to the EU for ten years, has claimed that it could take up to 10
years for the UK simply to replicate trade deals it already has (b).
The recent trade deal between the EU and Canada took seven years to complete. Whilst some might think this is because of the bureaucratic nature of the EU and an unwillingness on their part to do things quickly, the reality is that agreements of this type are incredibly complex and cannot be done over a glass of Chardonnay during dinner.
The recent trade deal between the EU and Canada took seven years to complete. Whilst some might think this is because of the bureaucratic nature of the EU and an unwillingness on their part to do things quickly, the reality is that agreements of this type are incredibly complex and cannot be done over a glass of Chardonnay during dinner.
It is likely that
the British public are starting to wake up to the fact that negotiating an exit
deal is difficult and this is reflected in a growing pessimism with 34% saying
that they have become more pessimistic about the UK's future since the EU referendum. Even amongst those who
voted leave where 37% are more optimistic since the referendum, there are still
a substantial proportion (11%) who are pessimistic.
Some of this
pessimism is probably a reflection of the fact that the UK is rushing
inexorably toward a cliff edge of departing the EU without having negotiated a
satisfactory deal. 44% of the Opinium respondents felt that it was unlikely
that the UK would have negotiated a satisfactory deal. Even among Conservative
voters whose Government, we should remember are doing the dealing for the UK,
33% think it unlikely that we will get a satisfactory deal (with 36% thinking
it likely that we will, the only group who are showing such optimism).
Now, again these responses could mean many things.
Now, again these responses could mean many things.
If people think a
satisfactory deal is one in which the UK pays nothing, and continues to enjoy
tariff free trading with the other 27 member states of the EU then it is
unlikely that we will get a satisfactory deal. On the other hand, if you are of
the opinion that the UK has commitments it should honour and that it is worth
ceding some of our autonomy to secure a trade deal then perhaps a satisfactory
deal is more likely.
The poll asked specifically about people’s attitudes to freedom of movement, presumably because this is seen as something of a red line for many people including the government. But, also because it is a significant difference between the views of the Conservative Government and the Labour Opposition. Whilst Theresa May has repeatedly stated that ‘no deal is better than a bad deal’, Labour’s position argues to “seek a transitional deal that maintains the same basic terms that we currently enjoy with the EU.” (c)
The poll asked
people to choose between two options. 'Ending free movement of labour even if
it means we leave the single market’ or ‘'Staying in the single market even if it
means allowing free movement of labour’.
40% of the respondents endorsed the second option, against 37% who endorsed option 1. From a Labour point of view, this is very good news as it means that the position outlined by Sir Keir Starmer would appear to enjoy a significant support within the country. It is worth noting however that whilst this is true, the support is mainly from those who voted remain (70% support the single market option with only 10% saying that we should end free movement) and amongst Labour voters, where despite support for Labour’s position, a significant minority (16%) want to end free movement of labour even if it means losing access to the single market.
40% of the respondents endorsed the second option, against 37% who endorsed option 1. From a Labour point of view, this is very good news as it means that the position outlined by Sir Keir Starmer would appear to enjoy a significant support within the country. It is worth noting however that whilst this is true, the support is mainly from those who voted remain (70% support the single market option with only 10% saying that we should end free movement) and amongst Labour voters, where despite support for Labour’s position, a significant minority (16%) want to end free movement of labour even if it means losing access to the single market.
Not surprisingly
given that the question forces people into one of only two options, 23% did not
choose either. In other words, there is no unanimity on the issues of staying
in the single market or ending freedom of movement. Both options are still on
the table in the court of public opinion.
The news is not
significantly better for Theresa May when it comes to the options were the UK
unable to agree a deal with the EU. Whilst 37% think that the UK should leave
without a deal, this is disproportionately the view among Conservative voters
(57%) and leave voters (62%). For Labour the news isn’t, at first look, much
better. Their preferred option of a longer transitional deal whilst we obtain a
‘satisfactory’ deal is the preferred option of only 25%. However, this quarter
of the sample is pretty uniform across political parties (26% of both Labour
and Conservative voters think this the best course of action). Whilst it is
slightly more popular amongst remainers than leavers, it needs also to be seen
in context of the third option, which is the one that hardly anybody is
promoting – walking away from Brexit and remaining in the EU. This has the
support of 23% of the sample, and is the most popular option amongst both
Labour voters (41%) and remainers (46%). Unsurprisingly, it has virtually no
support among Conservative voters (8%).
In the event of
negotiations going sour it might be necessary for the Government to go back to
the country. Whilst this could be done via a General Election (though this is
not the best option for reasons I will explore briefly below), it has been
argued by some, including Vince Cable, Liberal Democrat leader and Leanne Wood,
Plaid Cymru leader that there should be a second referendum. The Opinium data
shows no great support for such an option.
Whilst 35% would
support a referendum on the final deal, a clear majority (53%) would not.
Support for a second referendum is greatest among Lib Dem voters (70%), Labour
voters (56%) and remainers (64%). The opposition is, not surprisingly, greatest
among leavers (82%) and Conservative voters (80%).
However, if there were another referendum 46% say they would vote to remain, whilst 45% would vote to leave. Amongst those who voted remain in the first referendum 91% would still vote remain, and amongst those who voted leave, 88% would still vote to leave. In other words, there has been no great movement between the camps. On the other hand, there would not need to be a huge shift among leavers for the remain camp to win a second referendum. Realistically, the fact that there is little enthusiasm for a second referendum among either Conservative or Labour voters (or perhaps more significantly their MPs) mean that it is highly unlikely to happen.
However, if there were another referendum 46% say they would vote to remain, whilst 45% would vote to leave. Amongst those who voted remain in the first referendum 91% would still vote remain, and amongst those who voted leave, 88% would still vote to leave. In other words, there has been no great movement between the camps. On the other hand, there would not need to be a huge shift among leavers for the remain camp to win a second referendum. Realistically, the fact that there is little enthusiasm for a second referendum among either Conservative or Labour voters (or perhaps more significantly their MPs) mean that it is highly unlikely to happen.
What to make of
this? Well, firstly the ritual rehearsing of all the arguments used in the
Referendum Campaign is making little difference to the majority of voters. It
seems that opinions as far as Brexit are concerned are fairly solidly set. That
is to say that those who were committed to leaving the EU have not substantially
changed their views. They may be frustrated at the difficulty of leaving, they
may be unimpressed with the way in which the Government is handling the
negotiations, but nothing is changing their minds on the outcome they want.
Similarly, remainers may feel that they have all the best arguments but unless
the other side is prepared to listen to them, airing them is simply wasting
their breath.
Of particular
interest, however, is that a significant minority appear to be incredibly
confused about what is happening and what is in their own, and the country’s,
best interests. One-third of respondents were not sure which party they trusted
most with the negotiations. 13% did not know whether there should be a second
referendum once the terms were known. 23% were not sure whether to maintain
freedom of movement or whether that should be a red line. In other words,
despite the impression of two camps who have solidified opinions, there is a
large group of voters who are still waiting to be convinced, or are simply fed
up with the entire process. A third tribe perhaps?
From a party
political point of view, it is clear that Conservative and Labour voters are
in, pretty much, entirely opposite camps on Brexit.
Among Labour voters 56% are
more pessimistic since the referendum, 60% believe it will be ultimately bad
for the UK, 58% that it is more difficult a process than they imagined. Some
56% of Labour voters would back a second referendum, and 67% would vote remain.
At the very least 61% support staying in the single market regardless of
freedom of movement rules. Whilst 41% would prefer to remain in the EU if no
deal is reached, 26% would support an extended transition deal.
Among
Conservative voters 40% are more optimistic since the referendum, 55% think it
will be ultimately good for the UK, although 51% report that it is more
difficult than they had imagined. Some 80% of Conservative voters reject the
need for a second referendum, but were one held 72% would vote to leave. Ending
freedom of movement is a red line for Conservatives with 63% saying this is
more important than staying in the single market. Whilst 57% of Conservative
voters would be prepared to leave without a deal, there is a minority (26%) who
would support an extended transition period, about the only thing they have in
common with some Labour supporters.
At the last
General Election whilst the Conservatives were keen to make it about Brexit,
believing rightly that this would play well with their own supporters, it would
appear that many people who supported Brexit placed it behind the NHS,
Education, the economy, welfare and were prepared to support Labour candidates.
There is no evidence to support a view that the electorate would punish MPs in
leave constituencies who voted to remain. A small number of seats were lost by
remain MPs but it is not clear whether Brexit played a significant part in
those seats or not.
What we do know is that whilst the referendum was a one-off that a General Election is never about a single issue. For this reason those who argue that the terms should be put as part of an election campaign are being slightly disingenuous. A clear majority (71%) believe that Brexit is distracting the Government from other issues, such as the NHS and education. Whilst Brexit is seen as the most important issue facing the UK in a recent Ipsos-MORI poll, it is not clear that it will be the deciding factor at a General Election.(d)
As Nat Le Roux, of the Constitution Society has noted: “a significant part of the Leave vote represented a generalised protest against the political elite, and it would be unwise for that elite to reject the outcome too readily.” (e) Whilst he warns the elite against frustrating their will, the General Election, called we should recall to strengthen the Prime Ministers negotiating hand, was conducted on fairly usual terms. Brexit was an issue but it was not the only issue, and when push comes to shove few Labour voters, even if they voted leave, will want to put another Tory government into power.
What is important
is that the terms of any agreement are put before parliament where our elected
representatives have the opportunity to scrutinise them and make a decision on
our behalf. Given the complexity of the process this is the only really
democratic option.
I began by saying
that I had found writing about Brexit very difficult. That is largely because
on the one hand, I do not want to disrespect the referendum. On the other hand,
I do not much care to be shouted down either.
Some of the debate around Brexit
has been inflammatory to say the least. The Daily Mail branded judges "enemies of the people" simply
for ruling that Parliament should have the final say. Tory leadership contender
Jacob Rees-Mogg has called Mark Carney, Governor of the Bank of England, an
‘enemy of Brexit’ and also accused the BBC of an underlying pro-remain agenda.
On BBC’s Question Time a succession of audience members who support Brexit have
shown a disrespectful and bullying attitude toward anybody who questions the
validity of their preferred outcomes.
In a democracy it
should be possible to lose a vote and still be able to put forward arguments contrary
to the majority. Or else, we fall into what deTocqueville called the ‘tyranny
of the majority’ and the marginalisation of minority views. In this particular
case, at a time when the country is divided the minority represents almost half
of the population.
What the Opinium
poll suggests, and this comes with all the usual caveats about not believing
opinion polls, is that there is a divide between Labour and Conservative voters
and those who voted remain and those who voted to leave the EU. It is unlikely,
in my opinion, that these differences are going to be resolved by discussion.
It is also unlikely that there is a neat compromise that will appease both
sides of this argument. In such an environment it is important that views, even
contrary views, can be expressed.
The two tribes
seem to be as far apart now as they were in June 2016. However, to think of the electorate as 'two tribes' may be over-simplifying the division. The 2017 General Election showed one thing that whilst Brexit may be uppermost in many people's minds, it is not the only thing they care about. In the General Election people's party political allegiances re-affirmed themselves with a clear division between Labour and Conservative visions of the UK's future. Whilst it is true that, broadly speaking, leavers favour the Conservatives and remainers favour Labour, the data suggests that there are significant numbers in each group who are voting for a party that only tangentially supports their position on Brexit. The obvious conclusion is that as important as Brexit may appear other issues are taking precedence in the ballot booth.
It is also worth noting that whilst 33 million took part in the EU referendum only 32 million voted in the General Election. That is still a large number of people, but many of the million may well be non-voters who were motivated by the referendum, but who will now return to their previous electoral inactivity. Of course, any party that could galvanise that million voters would reap the benefits at the election.
But, given the results of the Opinium poll, those million are most likely to be leavers, and therefore it is the Conservative Party who would be most likely to attract their votes. On the other hand, many of these voters are from traditional Labour voting areas and if the General Election is any guide would be most likely to vote as they always had. Truth is we cannot be sure one way or the other. What we do know is that the country is divided between those who want out of the EU and those who would prefer to remain. But it is also divided by those who favour a free market, austerity led Government or those who seek a party with a commitment to public spending and a commitment to favouring the poor over the rich.
Brexit may, or may not, prove to be the biggest disaster to ever befall the UK. The result of Brexit will almost certainly be a downturn in the economy. Whilst the length of that downturn is unknown, what is certain is that many of those who voted to leave the EU will be directly affected by it. Whether the resulting financial misery will prompt them to desert the Tory party we have yet to see, but one thing is certain, tensions will certainly rise and any party that can convince Brexiters that their interest is best served by its programme could get a resounding victory. At the moment Brexiters are drawn toward the Conservatives, how long that remains to be the case as the implications of Britain's withdrawal become clear is to be seen. The only thing I am prepared to predict is that the two tribes will not merge into one big happy family.
Brexit may, or may not, prove to be the biggest disaster to ever befall the UK. The result of Brexit will almost certainly be a downturn in the economy. Whilst the length of that downturn is unknown, what is certain is that many of those who voted to leave the EU will be directly affected by it. Whether the resulting financial misery will prompt them to desert the Tory party we have yet to see, but one thing is certain, tensions will certainly rise and any party that can convince Brexiters that their interest is best served by its programme could get a resounding victory. At the moment Brexiters are drawn toward the Conservatives, how long that remains to be the case as the implications of Britain's withdrawal become clear is to be seen. The only thing I am prepared to predict is that the two tribes will not merge into one big happy family.
Hi Dave a most interesting set of comments. I do think one thing it misses is that in my view the arguments for leave and remain are futile in that the reality is we servants will not be that much affected. The greatest debates that will take place is how our capitalist masters will be affected. I have considered for many years that if you follow the money trail of any political or social issue you find at its heart those in power making more money. There are many examples of this in our society and its the greed feeding the greedy. We can look at Catalonia for example. The EU dont seem particularly interested in getting involved because there are no profits to be made. The Spanish govt however wields the masters stick because those in power will stand to lose profits if Catalonia goes it alone. We see no intervention from the EU at all so why are they so interested in the long negotiations about Brexit. It is because there are those in power who stand to gain and will gain no matter how we leave. The ones who will see the misery will be the servants of the masters because the pain will always be passed down... Lenin in Russia tried to get rid of this capitalist world curse and failed because those getting wealthier will always be sure that such ideas are quashed. So we will leave. It might not be how we expected it to be but we did not and were not and never will be told how the powerful and wealthy are manipulating Brexit to maximize self gain
ReplyDeleteThanks for the comment. Well, yes, it is a capitalist club in essence. So of course profits are on their minds. But, regardless of the fact that wealth is unequally spread, there are good reasons for us to think about the affects of democrat decisions on the communities of which we are a part. In terms of Brexit, what has happened is that the arguments have become futile, because nobody is listening to anything that does not support what they already think. I'm not sure Catalonia is entirely analogous. Their referendum was ruled illegal before it even took place. The Spanish Government seem scared to allow people in Catalonia to speak for themselves. If the referendum was going to result in Catalonia remaining part of Spain then why not just have it and put the nationalists in their place. At best, the Spanish have been guilty of political incompetence. At worst they are sliding into authoritarianism. It is scandalous that the Governments of the EU are simply turning a blind eye to the violence and intimidation taking place.
DeleteMany thanks, a very interesting post. The following statement set me off:
Delete“Of particular interest, however, is that a significant minority appear to be incredibly confused about what is happening and what is in their own, and the country’s, best interests.”
I was similarly confused in the run up to the 1975 referendum on whether to stay in the European Community (as it then was) and I remember the enormous feeling of clarity that came from reading Tom Nairn’s, “The left Against Europe?” (New Left Review, 1972).
It was a paradigm shift experience.
Nairn’s analysis and argument embraced many historical and political issues. One point that struck me was his assertion that Labour had always put country before class whereas Conservatives always put class before country.
I’m not convinced this is completely true but it’s a useful prism through which to view the current situation.
We know that multi-national companies will move locations in order to secure the lowest employment costs and the least onerous environmental regulations. Most countries as single nation states cannot do much about this on their own but the great strength of a trading bloc like the EU is that 27 countries combining together can maintain employment and environmental regulations across a continent and resist the power of the multi-nationals who would otherwise play them off against each other in a kind of free-trade zero sum game.
Listen to the Brexiteers, especially Liam Fox, and we hear a post Brexit scenario where the UK will abandon much of what they dismiss as European over-regulation so that we can ‘trade with the rest of the world’: by which they mean that the UK will be better able to attract inward foreign investment. Or, to use the Tom Nairn prism, UK Brexiteers will sacrifice the regulations we currently have that enshrine employment rights and environmental and food protection regulations, etc. in order to further the ambition of international business and finance.
If the interests of the super-rich are placed above the rights of the workforce, above the need for environmental protection and above the imperatives for climate change mitigation then our countryside, our food and farming, the economies of our peripheral areas like much of Wales, and the great majority of the population will become increasingly vulnerable.
David Frost
From Martin Treacy: Fascinating post as always. This is a very difficult topic for me, as it is one I am hugely emotionally engaged with. Going right back to 1970, two years before Britain joined the EU, when I won three gold stars from my (very pro-European) primary school teacher for my essay on 'why we should join the European Community'. I also have intellectual responses to the whole Brexit scenario, though it's hard to separate the two (I'll do my best here).
ReplyDeleteMy own view is that this is the biggest disaster for the UK since Suez (for sure, and bigger than Suez). Arguably the biggest disaster since we lost the American colonies (under Lord North if memory serves me correctly), but that's just my view. And as the article rightly says, many of those who voted 'Leave' were driven by a desire (which I deeply understand) to reject the economic and social isolation they've experienced as a result of neo-liberal economics (the latter my interpretation of course). This whole episode is (again in my view) an act of catastrophic national self-harm - though events will no doubt prove me right or wrong as they unfold. And much depends on the type of Brexit we get - Mrs May is clearly going for some variant of Hard Brexit, with her desire (carried over from her time as Home Secretary) to control immigration whatever the cost to Britain. Though whether this Hard Brexit can carry the Commons is another matter (or indeed even carry the cabinet?). If it wasn't so important, it would be quite funny the political chaos Britain has fallen into since the referendum.
My own view is that matters of this type should never (or very rarely) be put to a referendum, as they are not easily reduced to simple binary answers. I'm a believer in a parliamentary democracy - we elect the people who make the decisions, the people don't make the decisions directly (otherwise we'd have hung a lot of individuals over the last 50 years). The people of course have the right to tell their elected representatives to sling their hook at each election. And there was a perfectly legitimate parliamentary route to Brexit - if sufficient people had voted for UKIP (which was admirably clear in its primary goal) then it would have happened. It was in my view a scandal that a party which received (from memory) around 3-4 million votes only ended up with one seat in the Commons in 2015. While the SNP, who received less votes, got 57 seats. Not in any way the SNP's fault but the fault of our primitive 'first past the post' electoral system (there's a reason only about four countries in the world use it). David Cameron called the referendum as a way of short-term management of the internal politics of the Conservative party (which continues to drive the whole Brexit chaotic process)